Old Time Music

 

     
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To get us started, here are some fascinating quotes from that excellent paper:

'What is Old Time Music' by Mike Seeger: s3

 

Firstly, he explains just exactly where Appalachia is:

"The Appalachian region stretches from the Blue Ridge and Southern Appalachian mountain regions of Virginia, West Virginia, southward through Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, and barely into Georgia and Alabama."

Then he lets us know who settled there:

"After Native Americans, the first people to settle in this region came from the British Isles in the mid-1700's. These early settlers included Scots-Irish but were primarily English. A small number of immigrants later came to this area from Germany."

"Little slavery existed in the area largely because the hilly land didn't lend itself to the plantation system of the flat land to the east and south."

"Communities were also nearly self sufficient culturally, and almost everyone could either sing, play an instrument, dance, or tell a story, usually in a style distinctly their own. English-language culture was dominant."

But he doesn't actually say which accents or dialects were most common.

"The most popular instruments were the jew's harp and fiddle. Less often one would encounter a plucked or hammer dulcimer, some other home made instrument or possibly a flute or fife."

It is widely believed that the mountain dulcimer actually migrated into the Southern Appalachians from a German antecedant in Pennsyvania - the scheitholt.

"In the early and mid-1800's a few Anglo Americans began taking notice of African-American banjo music and songs, adapting them to their own use. Some were professional entertainers who learned to pick the banjo and composed songs based on what they heard African-Americans doing..."

"With emancipation in the 1860's, more African-American people moved into the mountain areas, which tended to be less racially polarized. In addition to bringing their native banjo to the region, by the late 1800's African-Americans had also introduced newly evolved guitar styles along with a new type of song, the intensely personal blues. In time the banjo and the guitar were blended with the old fiddle and song traditions to create the beginnings of a truly American string band tradition."

"Around the turn of the century some European instruments such as the french harp (harmonica), mandolin, and the recently invented autoharp made their appearance by way of mail order catalogues, travelling salesmen, and the increasing contact with national urban culture."

"Rural men and women didn't "play by note" (read music) and each devised their own personal way of playing rural-style music on their new instruments. This period between about 1870 and 1930 was the golden age of old-time southern Appalachian music."

I'm sure most of the country musicians in Ulster also learned their music by ear, from one another.

"By the mid 1900's fewer and fewer singers and musicians were transmitting local songs or participating in old-time family music, since virtually all were influenced by or learning totally from recordings by professional country-style musicians. The old songs and ways, which had built on centuries of tradition, especially unaccompanied singing and the quiet instruments such as the trump (jew's harp), fiddle, dulcimer, and later the banjo, simply went out of fashion."

There appears to have been a similar decline of country musicians in Ulster too during the first half of the 20th century, if my findings in North Antrim are any indication, see: s3

"The banjo and fiddle gave way to the guitar, which became the most prominent instrument amongst both professional and amateur players."

The Folk revival, from the 60's on, probably did a lot to spread an interest in the Guitar too, here in Ulster. Other factors which contributed to a decline in the interest for Old Time Music, as well as the old tunes here. I'm sure the first point Mike makes on this, would have been just as relevent here, aye and perhaps even his second too?

"Why did formerly rural people buy into this? For one thing, it was certainly easier to tune a radio than to learn to play an instrument."

"The older songs were associated with old times and hard work, with being "hicks" or "hillbillies," someone from the "lower" rural class."

For all the fascinating details, make sure you check out - Mike Seeger's:

What is Old-time Music?: s3

 
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After setting up this page I had a fascinating E-mail from Ken, who had this to add to the debate on the question of just exactly where Appalachia is, which I'm sure you will find interesting:

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"Hello Dick--I was browsing through your Scots-Irish site by way of Sugar in the Gourd. I found it interesting and informative, especially in light of my heritage: American of Irish (Donegal and Mayo) and Scots-Irish (Lowland) ancestry, born and raised in Appalachia. In fact, there's a famous trail that runs the length of the Appalachian Mountains (1,000 miles, give or take a few yards) which I could see from the house, it was that close. Somewhere on your site someone "defined" the Appalachians as running from Virginia and West Virginia down to Georgia. Well, the fact is that that's only the Southern half of the Appalachians. The Appalachian Trail, and the mountains themselves of course, run all the way north to the state of Maine. The popular image of the Appalachians is indeed that of the Southern hillbilly, but that misses an awful lot. Most Americans, too, are quite unaware of the NA's existence, much less its culture.

Musically, the Northern Appalachians share many characteristics with the SA, but there are also distinct differences. For one, NA music has a distinct Nova Scotia and Quebec influence that the SA doesn't have. Too, the SA drew heavily from African American traditions, which the NA lacks, being far from the slave-holding regions. Both the SA and NA were heavily settled by Irish, Scots-Irish and Welsh, and diverged in time, especially after the mid-19th century. The Germans tended to avoid the mountains and farm the richer lowlands; the Celts tended to settle more in the hills and took up the culture of moonshine, rifles and tax evasion. The Germans tended to be far more prosperous, but I like to think that we had more fun! (These are all generalizations, of course. Still I think they are as valid as generalizations get.)

Try this one out, the 'Swan Lake Breakdown': s3

Now he's an Appalachian fiddler from New Jersey who was playing near where I grew up as a boy. Thankfully, some of his stuff has been preserved. Hardly anyone can believe that New Jersey and New York (state, not city) have bits of the Appalachian mountains!

Hope this information interests you.

Ken"

Many thanks to Ken for this fascinating information.

My German born wife Sabine had a good laugh at the references to the Germans in Ken's letter. Well, if you can't laugh at yourself, it's a poor show isn't it, especially as wee ourselves are about as wealthy as Church Mice - but then she did make the mistake of marrying a Scot!

 
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To find out more about these early settlers, read these two articles

by DL Ennis

'The Early Settlers of Appalachia - Part 1': s3

'The Early Settlers of Appalachia - Part 11': s3

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"Many Ulster-Scots left the British Isles and came to America in the early 18th century. They came to Maryland and Pennsylvania but found the lands along the Delaware and the Chesapeake taken by earlier settlers from England; therefore, they moved west following the Great Appalachian Valley, moving southward into the piedmont and mountains of Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee.

These early settlers were descendents of hardy Scots who had survived many years of struggle against invaders who, time after time, had pushed them back into the hill country of Scotland but had never conquered them. Over the centuries of struggles they became great warriors with more of a love of liberty than life. Forced to live in the mountainous lands of the Scotland, they were sustained only through hard work and frugal living."

 
     

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Another excellent look at this region is that of Charles H Ball, in his

‘Appalachian Celts And Their Music’ s3

 

Here are three quotes which you might enjoy:

"When the Celtic people settled the Appalachian region they had their hands full: Indians, bears, wilderness, weather, topography ..........you name it. They were not inclined to worry much about their roots, except the ones they planted in the ground. All they knew was that they had escaped tyranny, poverty, and oppression of one kind or another and were now planted in a new world, a world they had yet to conquer. And this conquest would be a full-time job. Today, three centuries later, most of their descendants have no sense of being Irish, or Scots-Irish, or Welsh, or Scottish."

Have they ALL really forgotten their roots - I find that hard to believe?

"The history of the Scots-Irish is complex and is widely misunderstood. To understand it, we need to know a little about the settlement of Scotland in the remote past. Highland Scotland was settled by Gaelic immigrants from Ireland. In those days what is now Scotland was called Alba and what is now Ireland was known as Scotia. The inhabitants of Scotia were called Scots. So the Gaelic Scots went to the highlands of Alba, and as a result Alba eventually became known as Scotland. These highlanders spoke Gaelic and were very different from the lowland Scots who spoke a dialect of English. Most of our Scottish images are drawn from the highlanders, with their clans and their plaids and their bagpipes and their wars. We don't seem to think of the lowlanders, who were more similar to the people of the northern counties of England. They had their own traditions, their own bagpipes (quite unlike the pipes of the highlanders), their own songs (in their own language), and their own dances. It is this group of lowlanders who were ultimately to have the greatest influence in Appalachia."

Yes, their own Bagpipes, Lowland & Scottish Smallpipes & yet these are hardly played over here anymore, the big Highlanders Pipes obviously won the day - well after all, it is impossible to compete wi' thon big beasties.

"The early settlement of Appalachia by the Celts included Irish, Scots-Irish, and lowland Scots, as well as many Welsh. Few highlanders came into Appalachia. Strangely, the highlanders found their home in the coastal areas of North Carolina in such places as Wilimington and other settlements along the Cape Fear River. They got as far as the Piedmont, but few ventured farther into the Appalachian highlands."

Interesting! I hadn't realised that few Highlanders ever reached the Appalachian area.

Anyway check it out for yourself, here: s3

 

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For yet another interesting slant on this idea that the playing styles & tunes came from Ulster & had a big impact on the musicians of Appalachia, can be read in:

 

Alan Jabbour's 'Fiddle Tunes of the Old Frontier' lecture, in which he says: s3

"The favoured instrument for this instrumental music revolution was the modern Italian-style violin, which had spread northward through Europe in the 17th century. In the 18th century a number of manufactories for making violins sprang up in Germany, France, and England, and they had the effect of democratizing the violin, making it available not just to professional musicians but to people from all walks of life. So I am inclined to attribute the revolution in instrumental music to the advent of the modern violin, as a widely diffused new instrument, combined with the general revolutionary spirit of the later 18th century in the British Isles and colonies."

He goes on to point out that:

"I had supposed that the repertory and style in the Upper South were originally 'British', and then by new composition and gradual stylistic evolution became more regionally distinctive. But as the other elements of my original model were eroded, I began to contemplate the possibility that the Southern fiddling style I was documenting in the 20th century took shape much earlier than I had originally imagined. In particular, I reflected on the bowing patterns I had been laboriously transcribing from my fiddling mentors. Many of them used bowing patterns in which were imbedded elaborate forms of syncopation. Now it should be stipulated that syncopation has many forms. Any performance that establishes one rhythmic pattern, then superimposes a different pattern in contradistinction to the original pattern, is using syncopation. But the syncopated bowing patterns of my fiddling mentors were precisely what we all think of as “American syncopation,” appearing in jazz and popular music and commonly presumed to be an African American contribution to our musical heritage."

So, if Alan is correct, then perhaps the style of music in Appalachia owes far more to that of the African Americans than any European influences. Unlike the music of Cape Breton, which clearly owes much to it's Scottish anscestry.

Alan also makes a compeling case for a very strong influence on Appalachian music actually coming from American Indian music, so in reality, the influences coming from Ulster may have simply amounted to a number of tunes, & little else!

Of course, there's always that famous old quote on the subject, to consider - "There's only twelve tunes brought over from the old country, and four of those are Flop Eared Mule!"

Nothing is ever black & white, is it? In any case, I'll leave you to read my various sources, as detailed above & make up your own minds.

 
     

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For an idea on how much of an influence the Banjo was on this music, check out this page, which asks - "Old-time (oldtimey) Music What is it? s3

     
 

"The early days of old-time music are unfortunately not well-documented, and there are various theories of how it started and spread. This first one I got from Bob Flesher. White minstrels popularized the banjo in urban centers before the Civil War. The banjo went back to the mountains with veterans from that war. When people began to play banjos and fiddles together, fiddle playing changed. (See the notes, for example, to the Emmett Lundy LP.) After reading Conway's African Banjo Echoes in Appalachia (see book list below), I would lean toward another theory. Conway gives persuasive evidence that black banjo players taught both minstrels and white mountain musicians to play the banjo directly. Just one of her arguments is that there are lots of common tunings between earlier black banjoists and mountain banjoists that weren't used by minstrels."

 
     

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Anyway, for those musicians amongst you, who are not quite sure what the difference is between Bluegrass & Old Time.

 

 

Well, according to Berto, at the 'Sugar in the Gourd' Discussion Board - It is as simple as this:

"When bill monroe hired earle scruggs for his particular 3 finger style of playing banjo and lester flatt for his singing style was the begining of Bluegrass. Up to then it was all old time and those who Clawhammer or Strum their Banjos rather than pick 3 finger style will be playing old time music. That's how a simple man perceives it!

Thanks Berto

If you want to know more about what Old Time music really is, then check out this 'Old Time Music' page s3

Or, for a 'Short History' check out: s3

 
     
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And finally, introducing the 'Old Time Dance' group 'GIRLGERMS'.

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‘GIRLGERMS Music and Dance’:

"GIRLGERMS offer an "infectious" blend of traditional dance, music and song. Comprised of five innovative performers who share a passion for traditional American music in its purest and most unadorned form, this Twin-Cities based group presents rhythmic footwork, driving fiddle tunes, clawhammer banjo, plaintive harmonies and southern mountain-square-dance figures. GIRLGERMS is based in the twin cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, MN."

Check out this great video of the girls in action: s3

Check out their website: s3

If your interested in this form of Dancing, check out the 'Wild Goose Chase Cloggers' too: s3

 
     
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Now to end, why not give your eyes & ears a real treat.

You can watch 24 video clips of Old Time groups playing here: s3

& watch 12 video clips of Clawhammer Banjo tunes being played here: s3

"To Hear Your Banjo Play" (1947) - fascinating video on the history of the Banjo: s3

“Morris Family Old Time Music Festival” - wonderful footage of the '72 festival in West Virginia: s3

You may also like to listen to these 4 great 'Foghorn Stringband' tracks:

All Night Long:- s3 Gospel Ship:- s3 Charlie & Nellie:- s3 Hell & Scissors:- s3

You can also listen to 26 minutes of 'The Crooked Jades' here: - s3

Or listen to 'The Chinkapin Hunters' here: - s3

 
     
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Co Down based 'The Broken String Band', playing at the 'Ulster American Folk Park' 2006 - (click to enlarge)

 
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The Dublin based 'Rough Deal String Band' s3 playing at the 'Ulster American Folk Park' - 2006

 
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East Clare based 'Frankie, Johnny & Sweetheart', playing at the 'Ulster American Folk Park' - 2006

 
 

Thanks to session.org's 'Rocky Roader' for the following information on this excellent group:

"Johnny and the band are based in East Clare, and I'm lucky enough to see them play every couple of months or so. They went by the Hillrockers last time I saw them, and they always play blinding sets.

The clawhammer player is Lena Ullmann, a Dutch lady believe, who's been in Ireland about thrity years - I seem to remember seeing her play in Galway in the early eighties. She was in Bohan's in Feakle just the other week, playing in a session with Pat O'Connor. She makes that banjo clawhammer look so effortless!

Frank Hall on fiddle is from Indiana, and is more recently arrived on these shores. He is an ex-Monk (See s3), and currently lectures at University of Limerick, possibly in Mathematics. AS well as fiddle, he plays some great old-timey guitar - on a small Martin, and I love his singing voice.

Johnny and Lena have been playing together for a few years now, usually with a third, but with this trio I think they have really got something special."

I understand they are soon to release their 1st CD too ...... so watch out for that!

 
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